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Can My Spouse Have Friends of the Opposite Sex?

Posted by christiancommunitynetworking on March 1, 2010 at 8:54 PM

  Dr. Pamela Thompson

                                                                                                                                                                              

                                                                                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                                                                                       

I happen to have the best friends in the whole wide world who love to provoke thought and debate about a variety of subjects. One such debate erupted some twenty years ago on the subject of appropriate friendships for your spouse to have, namely as it relates to gender. I, who have had close male friendships since elementary school, was quick to say that it was totally cool with me if my husband had friends of the opposite sex SO LONG as I knew these individuals myself, the vibes are good, and all conversations/activities are above board and often/usually include me. Also, my husband and I do not entertain friendships with those who were former romantic interests nor do we talk to friends of the opposite sex with regularity, as in daily, weekly, or even monthly. Additionally, we’d both have a raised eyebrow if either of us popped up with a TOTALLY new friend out of the blue—not because of work or church or some long-term shared recreation. Those are our rules, and every couple has to develop their own to avoid unnecessary misunderstanding. We’ve had no issues regarding friendships of the opposite sex because of our clear understanding on this matter. I happen to enjoy the perspectives of men and find that my friendships with males over the years have not compromised my values regarding fidelity and clear boundaries. As it turns out, at least two of my husband’s female friends (one who was a former co-worker and the other a home-girl) talk to me now far more than they ever talk to him. Likewise, one of my female friends from high school talks to my husband and sees him far more than she and I do because he spends 2 nights a week with her family (including husband and 3 kids) while on an out-of-town assignment.

                                                                                                                                                                                         

Twenty years ago, my two girlfriends felt the exact opposite of me on this matter of cross-gendered friendships. They were both “purists,” a word we began using then to describe their stance of absolute exclusivity when it came to interaction between their husbands and females. In short, this means the only female they believed their husbands should have friendship with was them. Period. We had quite a spirited debate that day, and I made NO headway with them. Fast-forward to today, and one of those girlfriends is now like me in her attitudes in that she routinely has lunches and meetings and business travel with males that she would have deemed inappropriate two decades ago. She laughs at the memory of how she used to think about this issue. The other girlfriend is still dug-in on her position that her husband is not allowed nor will he ever be allowed to have a female friend or companion of any kind, anywhere—not at work, church, or the neighborhood; not a lunch meeting, not a tennis partner, not a..well..nothing! She struggles to understand why there would ever be a need for a married person to kiss a person of the opposite sex on the cheek—just as a greeting of fondness. I’m thinking she’s from another planet on this one.

                                                                                                                                                                                        

                                                                                                                                                                                    

By the way, if you’ve had issues of adultery in your marriage, I highly recommend against allowing friends of the opposite sex without EXPLICITLY CLEAR boundaries and rules regarding how you will be accountable to each other in order to re-build trust and protect the sanctity of your marriage. Depending on your circumstances, such cross-gendered contacts may need to be eliminated altogether unless your spouse is present or privy to the communication.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                 

So what do you think? What works for you and your spouse? Are you a purist or not?

 

 

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41 Comments

Reply Rich Solomon
10:06 PM on March 01, 2010 
Trouble and a very fine line. We have to be careful because the Devil is crafty.I have a few female friends, but they know that when mama comes along, our relationship will change. Your wife becomes your best friend. Why try to create drama for your wife if you don't need to.
Just me
Reply Brock
08:35 AM on March 02, 2010 
This is so simple! If the women has an unattractive face & unsexual body then wives cld care less abt the man being friends w/ her! If the woman is even close to attractive most wives are so insecure sexually bc they themselves aren't in high demand that they will pull the no female friends card! This only abt if the wife LOOKS at the other woman & SEES she's a competitiive sexual threat! That's it! Anyone who thinks otherwise is lying abt this! Not all but most extremely attractive & I mean by majority agrees standards don't have an issue w/ the man having female friends regardless of how she looks! I find that men who go along w/ the no female friends-im a good christian husband act cheat more than a guy who has female friends & its usually in secret or w/ the wifes best friend! The ? Do you ALLOW an adult to have friends of opposite sex? So controlling & mistrusting not love!If the wife is everything the husband wants(& visa versa) then you have no worries abt his female friends! & most men are the same way on this topic as well! How unloving & manipulative & insecure & immature & possessive to require a man to live a life w/ male friends & limit his single friends+his wife & that's it? A man is only allowed to have married male friends & his wife? Are u serious! 60% of my success & know how in my life & business has come from close female friends some my wife knows some she doesn't. & they range from fat & unattractive to model beautiful & who I hvnt had sex w/ bc let's face the real issue is just abt friendship turning to sex! But my wife is my best friend & turns me on the most & I compare other women to her & 99% lose bc my wife COMPETES & so do I! If a person wants to cheat you cnt control them & avoiding temptation is just an excuse bc they'll seek it out! You have to feel secure yourself & trust your husband & not limit his growth etc bc he can't be friends w/ some supersmart female that helps his business etc & this as I said applies to wives & having male friends! You can't control who an adult is friends with!
Reply Denise
02:36 PM on March 02, 2010 
The only problem I have with husbands having female friends is when the husband can not say No to the female friends. Take my husband for example, he has three female friends in his life that I know about and two of them live in the same city one in another city. The one that lives in another city, I never know when he talks to her and never have met her but over the phone. Well the two that live in the same city are having problems in their marriages and instead of them thinking about me in our new marriage they are pulling on him and he does not see it a problem. Things came to a head during the valentines day weekend when he didn't see anything wrong with going to spend a saturday before valentines day, with them as we are just under two years in our marriage. Nor did he have anything planned for us and of course me looking at ok this is our second valentines day together, I thought we were going to do something special but the two female friends had already made special plans that did not include me. I felt it was a problem however because it was his situation he did not think it was a problem not to mention previously one of the women had feelings for him and I honestly believe the feelings are still there. The other one just completely controls her marriage and not happy at all, and they both have stress to me that they are his friends and not mine, and one went as far as telling me valentines day don't mean nothing to her. However it does to me. There have been other women that have popped up and when their intentions are not good and I address them, its always me with the problem. Me on the other hand, I do not have male friends that I talk to and he don't know it, in fact I told them all before I got married out of respect for my husband, I can not entertain our friendship. In a case like that what do you do and how do you react?
Reply Dr. Thompson
03:56 PM on March 02, 2010 
Denise,

Thank you for expressing your concerns. While I cannot advise you as though you were my client, I can safely say that the relationships you described between your husband and his 3 female friends are detrimental to your marriage, mainly because the priority is being made for THEM and not YOU. Additionally, you described your husband as being very defensive about his behavior instead of recognizing the hurt and disappointment it is causing YOU and therefore fixing it by making you more comfortable and more engaged in his plans. Irrational defensiveness is a bad sign and can become deadly for the marriage. For more information on how to proceed healthfully in putting an end to this, I STRONGLY suggest you read Boundaries in Marriage by Townsend and Cloud. I consider it a MUST-READ. Setting boundaries early in your marriage can save you both a lot of heartache down the road, even if he doesn't like it now. It may get uglier before it gets better, but if he cares about investing in the longevity of his marriage, he'll later be glad you made your intolerance CLEAR.

You should be able to purchase Boundaries in Marriage at any bookstore or you can purchase it from my website at www.drpamthompson.com (on the News and Events Page).

Best to you,
Dr. Thompson
Reply Brock
04:09 PM on March 02, 2010 
Abt the denise comment; uh this isn't difficult,her husband just isn't that interested in her! If he treated her great & went out w/ the female friends that's cool but his wife isn't turning him on anymore,he's bored w/ her after marriage for 2 yrs!
Reply Pam Thompson
10:41 PM on March 02, 2010 
Brock, Brock Brock, I want to thank you for your reply first of all. You clearly have some strong opinions and a strong personality to go with that, and you're entitled to all of that. While I get that you're just calling it like you see it, I was hoping that responders to Denise, particularly on a Christian website, could be more supportive in tone toward her--especially since her marriage may be at stake, and nobody is walking in her shoes but her. She has to be the final judge of what's gone awry in her marriage, not us.

Pam Thompson
Reply Brock
01:15 AM on March 03, 2010 
Dr Pam. I agree w/ your response! I hold to my opinion but I shld have thought abt denises situation also! I'm smarter than that & I feel bad abt it! I pray for the best for denise & dr pam thanks for communicating so well I definitely wld benefit w/ a female friend like you, to make my point! Thanks
Reply Denise
12:34 PM on March 03, 2010 
Dr. Pam, thank you so much for the suggestion of the book. I am looking for it today. I love my husband so much and there is nothing I won't do for him but I will not settle for so many women in his life and they are so called friends. His soul is all over the place because he has so many soul ties and I told him he needs to break them because they are strongholds on him and it is taking a toll on him. Not to mention he was updating one of the women contact information just Monday. So I am looking at either he don't know no better or he just don't care. I have also learned and just realized my husband is selfish and self centered. He has shown me that within the last week and it took for the valentine's weekend for me to really see him for who he really is. Oh I didn't mention he never went to meet with the other women because of my reactions. Needless to say he has that spirt where "You do as I say, and not as I do" and the sad part in the whole situation is he has a very controlling spirit and he knows it..but is he trying to do anything about it to better himself....Not really. Dr. Pam, I wish I was near you to become one of your clients...I am looking for a counselor in my area but I can't afford it and my insurance does not pay for marriage counseling.
Reply Pam Thompson
01:41 PM on March 03, 2010 
Denise,

Hang in there! The book will help you a LOT! Stand your ground. His response to your new boundaries will give you the information you need to make Godly decisions. Stay prayed up but don't try to be Holy Ghost junior with him. He obviously is not in a receptive place anyway. Be observant and ready to ACT in setting new boundaries. You have to mean what you say and say what you mean. Otherwise your "threats" of what you're going to do or not do if he does this or that will be empty. You've got to be prepared to back up anything you offer to him as a consequence of his misbehavior.
Reply Jene'
01:23 PM on March 16, 2010 
Praise the Lord for your insight! Too often men have been allowed to have female friends while objecting to their spouse enjoying friends of the opposite sex. To lend wisdom to experience: My husband has broken covenant and trust in our marriage many times, flirts with women in front of me as wel as behind my back, has admitedly had affairs which he proudly confesses before congregations in churches that allow him to speak?, and continues to have femae friends with my strong objection and embarrassment. His reasoning - "Oh, you're just jealous". Jealous, nothing to be jealous of, just afraid of being embarrassed again by his inapropriate behavior which has always come to surface. Some welcomed and others unwelcomed. I agree that men and women should be allowed to have friends of the opposite sex, especially when trust has been established and boundaries clearly respected. I have always had friends of the opposite sex, and have been able without difficulty to remain within healthy boundaries by making a conscious effort to do so. I take issue with any person using the right to have friends with anyone to destroy marriages and trust. There comes a time when one must decide which is more important, their "friends" or their spouse. Anything we allow ourselves to become a part of at the expense of our marriage has already taken priority. Hey, if you know of any real Christian brothers out there with respect for self and others, send them my way for friendship. It would be quite refreshing to have a taste of normalcy once again. Anyone promoting themselves as a Clergyman and offends his marital relationship is an offense to God, and do not have a correct relationship with Him since the relationship with the Lord is symbolic of the marital relationship between husband and wife.
Reply Rich Solomon
05:18 AM on March 17, 2010 
I feel for you,I really do. I'm not married but know about trail and error in this
area of my life. If this is going on and he thinks that this is a problem that you
are gonna have to deal with, he isn't serious about marriage and you.

Real talk: If he thinks that the Lord aint watching and don't have a Heart for a Godly woman. Watch out and stay out of the way! God's hand is mighty and just. Grown man not willing to give up his single life while real Godly single men look for a good woman......SELFISH! STUPID! AND LISTEN CAREFULLY. DON'T KNOW OR FEAR GOD!
Reply vessel@frontiernet.net
07:48 AM on March 17, 2010 
I've been married almost 10 yrs now, and my husband has 1 female friend who he can't seem to let go of. I have no problem with him having her as a friend, but I do have a problem with the secrecy of their relationship. I?ve told him that I?m ok with them having a friendship as long as it is open ? meaning they have conversations in my presence rather than behind my back. So far, this hasn?t happened and yet they talk frequently when he is at work. She is married and I don?t know what her husband feels about their relationship or if he even knows how often my husband & his wife talk. What disturbs me is that she wants 2 be respected as a Christian & yet appears not to see anything wrong with having a secret relationship with another Christian woman?s husband. BTW, in the beginning of our marriage my husband didn?t want anything to do with the Sista because, as he revealed to me, he had an adulterous relationship with her when he was married to his first wife, who happened to be her friend. Why he revealed this to me I do not know. Then at some point within the last 4 years he decided having a friendship with her was ok. She is a person I could probably like as a friend, but because of the blatant secrecy I can?t respect her. I?ve expressed my acceptable boundaries to him, but he chooses to not honor my request. Rather than get angry about it, I?ve decided to just leave him and her to God and trust that God will protect me and deal with them accordingly.
Reply Rich
07:54 AM on March 17, 2010 
Rich Solomon says...
I feel for you,I really do. I'm not married but know about trial and error in this
area of my life. If this is going on and he thinks that this is a problem that you
are gonna have to deal with, he isn't serious about marriage and you.

Real talk: If he thinks that the Lord aint watching and don't have a Heart for a Godly woman. Watch out and stay out of the way! God's hand is mighty and just. Grown man not willing to give up his single life while real Godly single men look for a good woman......SELFISH! STUPID! AND LISTEN CAREFULLY. DON'T KNOW OR FEAR GOD!
Reply Jeff Vincelette
07:39 PM on April 04, 2010 
Best Christian educational tool JesusGOD used was an elderly man.. almost 100 yrs. old by now. He was talking to the group of men at a local coffee shop about the scripture, to be careful of where you putyourself physically when around women, by yourself. He said, I'm sorry guys, I do this so often each week I never hought about it, I'm married and my wife is so important to me I couldn't imagine wandering off away from the spouse GOD has given to me. We all laughed kindly, and reminded each other, I think this is the way GOD wants us all to be. A humbling and kind reminder from a man who is christian and married to his third wife, ... due to widowhood each time. May we all learn to be in awe and respect of GODJesus whose presence all our thoughts, intentions, and activities are known, even before we ever arrive to them, i.e., after the judment. JesusGOD Bless!
Reply Laura
08:27 AM on April 06, 2010 
My husbands first lover is now his special friend. She is married but lately not as happy as she should be in her marriage. She also knows that there is tension in my marriage. We were invited to stay at her house for 4 days. I saw behavior that I found hurtful. They were always leaving the room I was in and go to another part of the house. I found he was having conversations with her that I knew nothing about. I asked what was going on and my husband said they are just friends. I later found out that she was emailing him while we continued our trip out of the country. I remember her talking about how neat it was that when she would email my husband that he would automatically get those emails on his blackberry. I thought nothing of this except when we got home his blackberry would alarm with incoming emails. I would ask why so many and husband reply that they were normal business contacts when in fact she was also emailing him. We are now in counseling and I have been asked if I will continue to be friends with husband very special friend. I have lost all trust in this friendship. She was dismissive of me when I was at her house and avoided conversation with me of any sort. I now feel that my unwillingness to continue to be friends with this lady will cause husband to hold a grudge over me because I sabotaged his friendship. Our marriage counselor has asked why I would not want to remain friends with her? Is the counselor not getting the whole picture or what?
Reply Pam
08:50 AM on April 06, 2010 
Laura,

I gotta tell you, I don't like the sound of what you've described. Please remember that you are the WIFE with legal, spiritual, financial, social claims on your husband. If your husband distances himself from you because you reject friendship with his "special friend" with whom he's acted inappropriately, then that is valuable information you need to have about the quality and health of your marriage. YOU are entitled to be the first priority of your husband's and not ANYBODY else beside God. Choosing to go along with this disrespectful friendship of your husband's is a mistake in my opinion that you may live to regret. You are called to be his helpmate, and that includes helping him see the error of his ways so that the sin of marital unfaithfulness is prevented. He may claim that you're "insecure," "you're too sensitive," "your suspicions are crazy," blah, blah, blah. That would be nothing more than defensive non-sense which distracts from the issue of basic disrespect at hand, which is giving cause for distrust. Don't buy it should it come your way. I encourage you to walk in your God-given authority as his WIFE and see where your husband's allegiance lands-- with you or his friend. As I've stated in other response, please RUN to the bookstore or visit my website at www.drpamthompson (news and eventss page) in order to purchase the book Boundaries In Marriage by Townsend and Cloud. Your future with this man is likely dependent on your assertion of rightful boundaries in your marriage. Without some definitive ACTION from you, you'll have to one day own some of the responsibility for things escalating with his "friend."

Peace and blessings to you!

Dr. Thompson
Reply Denise
02:56 PM on April 06, 2010 
Wow Dr. Pam,

I just want to say thank you for your reponse too to Laura.....what you just explained is what I am now going thru...after reading the book about the boundaries...my husband is now in full disrespect mode. Recently while at church he approached four women and when I addressed him about it, he told me I was over reacting. So one of the women I had already approached about playing with him too much and she was doing things to disrepect me as his wife. Well needless to say on last friday night all crap broke lose with his actions. I was getting ready to approach the both of them together and she walked off when she saw me coming. When sunday came it was a battle ground. When the girl found out I was on my way to approach her she got scared and her and her group ran to the first lady to tell her what happened. Well the ladies told her that HE is the one approaching them and telling them some very nasty things about me and our marriage and our 4 month old son. Not to mention he is going around the church saying he did not want the baby and that I tricked him into getting me pregnant. On top of that I just found his cell phone bill and found he is in constant contact with another lady in the church that works in the same building with him. Makes me wonder if they are seeing each other at work. Then I had a man to approach me to say my husband came to console him. How many real men say another man had to console them...am I missing something. Oh did I mention my husband is one of the associate minister that is very active in the church. Now the Pastor knows everything that is going on especially the women and the fact that everything of value my husband has locked in a suit case while everything I own is out in the open. He wants out of the marriage but he is trying to make it look like I am cheating on him because of his mothers actions. I am to the point where I want him to leave and go to his many women but he will not. There is no counseling for us. I am done and can not take anymore. How do I make him leave?
Reply Pam Thompson
05:42 PM on April 06, 2010 
Denise, if you're done and you mean it or are at least ready to officially separate, and you've already asked him to leave with firmness, the solution is quite simple. You change the locks. If you suspect a violent reaction, you meet with your local police department in advance and pre-alert them to what you're about to do and ask for their back-up. Hope that helps.
Reply Laura
06:27 PM on April 06, 2010 
Dr. Thompson,
I did as you asked me too. I bought your book and I have to say how empowering it is to understand what has been happening in my marriage all these years. I have been married for 29 years. We are very committed to each other but it has been a love, hate relationship for so long. I have health issues that requires me to be very disciplined about my care. If I am not happy I become careless in what I eat and it make things much worse. I understand now what I must do to save my marriage. Denise-- I am so very sorry that your entire church has become involved in your crisis. I was careful to find a counselor outside of our church because I did not want what is happening to you to occur in my marriage. I made the mistake of taking an argument between my spouse and myself to the pastor once and I was accused of embarrassing him because he is a deacon in the church. What you need right now is to separate and time to reflect. My counselor has been booked and out of town for almost 3 weeks. I got real worried because I did not know if we could live together that long without fighting. Needless to say spouse tried to instigate a fight last night and I told him I did not feel comfortable talking about our problems until the counselor returned. I wanted to keep the claim balance of our home intact. He agreed and let it go. Today he apologized. At my last session with the counselor he told me that I needed to put the mirrors up and look at myself. I needed to be in control of my feelings and not husbands Get your family and your closest friends to help you. Be sure that your friends are your friends and not his. I will pray for you because I know what you are going through and it is even harder when you have a baby. Remember the Lord will never put more on your plate then you can handle. YOU CAN DO THIS. YOU MUST BE STRONG FOR YOUR BABY.
Reply Denise
10:48 AM on April 07, 2010 
Thank you Laura.

Last night was challenging. He came home last night after teaching a mens class and the argument started. On Monday, I went home and I have been trying to get him to throw out two non working televisions and a video cabinet. He was sitting on the couch holding the baby so I started moving things about to get them out. I started with the video cabinet because I knew I could handle that. Well the neighborhood clean up guy saw me with the cabinet and thought it was something he could use. He ran over to help me and told me he love to pick up things and rebuild with them. So I told him I had two television one in a real nice cabinet if he wanted it. So he said yes. I took him to the back porch to obtain it and as we were walking in the door my husband comes to the door with the baby, looks and close the door never says a word or did not volunteer to help move anything. So on last night he started an argument about the situation and I just told him anytime I need him to do anything I have to wait at least a month before he even thinks about getting to it perfect case example..we have a new lawnmower and I have to pay the landscaping guy in the block to cut my grass because he feels like he is too good to cut the grass. I asked him what am I suppose to do if he don't do it? He never responded...I know he does not want to be in the marriage because he wants to control everything that I do and he can't...he even started with the house bills. Because I am the primary owner of the house as well as the biggest financial contributor in our marriage, I make sure everything is paid. He has little bills that is in his name that is constantly accuring late charges like $68.00. Because the bills are in my name I feel like as long as they are getting paid what difference does it make which bill I put the little money he gives me on. I had the house before we got married and he feels like I should tell him about every bill I pay, how much I pay and when I paid it and how much I have left in my bank account. I told him in a nice manner to join satan.
Dr. Thompson...I have been trying for more than a month to have counseling with my pastor because he is very close with my husband since he is one of his associate ministers however I believe my pastor is on his side since I am in month two and still don't have a counseling date yet. I have asked him to leave and with the city we live in..I can't just change the lock they say that it will have to be an agreement between both parties....I talked to a lawyer about that already.