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Can You Ever Really Know Your Man?

Posted by christiancommunitynetworking on February 19, 2010 at 10:24 AM

 Dr. Pamela Thompson

www.drpamthompson.com

 

 

 

At one of my recent community forums in Atlanta known as Blue Lights in the Basement where we pick apart a certain topic of the month, the female audience members were stunned to hear outright confirmation of our suspicions that men don’t really WANT to be KNOWN by their spouses or intimate others. Females, of course, are just the opposite (generally speaking). We want our significant others to KNOW US—our fears, hopes, wounds of the past, where we get our hair fixed, our favorite color or restaurant, what we’re dreading about our day today, what we dreamed last night, what is the current favorite cologne. The list is endless. We feel that when we are KNOWN like that, including the mundane details of our lives, that we are loved, thought of, and cared about.

 

My male co-facilitator at the Blue Lights in the Basement, sexologist and professor at Clark Atlanta University, Dr. Chris Bass, clued us in on the fact that men don’t want to be known because if we women knew all of their disappointments, fears, wounds, and failures, and if all of the details and vulnerabilities of their lives were on display for us--it would render them unable to care for US. We scratched our heads and probed that concept with much greater understanding of the male psyche—I think. The idea of men not wanting to be known struck me in a way that my mind felt compelled to keep exploring well into the night and the next day. I thought about how any one who is in a position of headship or responsibility (a boss over an employee, a teacher over his/her students, an army commander over his men, a president over his country, a parent over a child), CANNOT really be completely KNOWN by his/her subordinates because it compromises authority and potentially puts the subordinate in a position of having to care for the superior—which isn’t the way things are supposed to go. So it is with men (not that one gender is superior to another), but it helped me to understand how sometimes the most loving and helpful acts of women toward their men in crisis are not received well, and in fact sometimes seem to make the situation worse. Women may think they’re helping men by taking charge of certain things in their men’s lives when the need is apparent—finances, job searches, training opportunities, business ideas—and yet it may not be received as the support it was intended to communicate. It may somehow communicate to men that we don’t have confidence in them to figure out things on their own. I have observed and concluded over the years that when we females do too much for the men in our lives, including our sons and brothers, we make SORRY men out of them.

 

On a closing Biblical note to all of this knowing business, isn’t it interesting that the Bible, in referring to sexual unions, always says “HE knew HER…” It never says “SHE knew HIM…” Hmmm. What say you on this topic? Let’s talk about it.

 

 

 

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7 Comments

Reply Edward M. Welch, III
11:41 AM on February 19, 2010 
I totally disagree. One needed (yet risky) aspect of Godly leadership is a certain level of exposure. Jesus disrobed Himself as He washed the disciples feet. Sometimes in the corporate world leaders are afraid to expose themselves to uphold a front, but the sad truth is their authority remains the same. The authority I have in my household (and on my job) was given to me by God. It is not diminished based on how many of my flaws are evident or hidden. David danced like a fool when praising God and exposed himself, but was respected more. This is the kind of thinking that hurts leaders and followers everywhere. With all of that being said, some husbands may not want to be known (in regards to flaws) because they have experienced women use this knowledge in an unhealthy way (e.g. nag, bring it up in a fight, etc.) but if a woman has truly made her man feel comfortable to be himself by supporting him and not tearing him down marriage can look like what it is supposed to look like. The man and the woman both being naked before each other and unashamed.
Reply Eric Wheaten
02:51 AM on February 20, 2010 
I Agree with Mr. Welch. For decades now since the government stepped in and have taken the the roll as husband and father to our women and children a lot of different factors that come about in our relationships with our women since the move more black women see us as failures in todays society and this is the fact that many of us as black men try to hide from our women and this the fact of racial omitance from blue collar jobs as well as white collar jobs this leaves us exposed as uneducated failure before our women and they pick up on it thus use our short comings as wepons to tear us down even more so then how can a man be open to the woman he desires and loves when he try to be the head of his house hold that the government provides through welfare and AFDC across the U.S. of A..
Reply Olola Pope
06:25 AM on February 20, 2010 
There is time for everything under the sun. A time to be plain, open and exposed; and a time to be disguised, opaque, concealed and ambiguous. Nothing could be farther from the truth to say women want the men in their lives to know everything about them. It is such an unnatural thing and a yet to be well reasoned through generalization. Yes, women may want men to know so much about some aspects of their lives, so as to keep the flow in the relationship and fellowship, yet they still retain that mystery of their nature as humans and oftentimes surprise their men with flashes on a hitherto unkown aspects of their lives. For men, not laying all on the table all of the time is not necessarily due to their fears of vulnerabilities. It is natural for them to have some aspects of their lives open to some and covered to others, it is all part of the strategic survival and emerging becomingness of man in nature. You cannot know all of a man, indeed a woman, until the person has signed off from planet earth. Insofar as the person enjoys the grace of a hope of tomorrow, he/she enjoys that essence of God to be mysterious and fascinating in certain aspects of his/her manifestations to some other persons, including their spouses. The serach to truly know all there is about the other person is a futile and unnatural search. It is not the way God has designed life to be lived, rather, it is an attempt to totally unravel the mystery of the absolute corpus of man, only the Designer has that key. He is yet to hand it over to anyone, though we strive for it in various ways in order to dominate and have better control or handle of our lives and relationships.. nothing wrong with these. Women, you may need to do more reasoning about your assertions and desires in your claims on the relationships with your partners. Stay bleesed.
Reply Sheila W
11:32 AM on February 20, 2010 
You can never really know someone until you have lived with them because I beileve that's when they show there true colors. I also think a woman/man should know everything about each other if they are going to have a successful relationship/marriage and in order to do that you must have a good friendship you just can't move past a friendship into a relationship if you did that , that mean you didn't take the time to get to know one another and I feel that your past should be what it is your past if it's not going to help your furture becasue if you learn from your past then there is know need to bring it into your furture so focus on the furture not the past. Stay bless
Reply Eric W.
03:34 PM on February 23, 2010 
Sheila W says...
You can never really know someone until you have lived with them because I beileve that's when they show there true colors. I also think a woman/man should know everything about each other if they are going to have a successful relationship/marriage and in order to do that you must have a good friendship you just can't move past a friendship into a relationship if you did that , that mean you didn't take the time to get to know one another and I feel that your past should be what it is your past if it's not going to help your furture becasue if you learn from your past then there is know need to bring it into your furture so focus on the furture not the past. Stay bless

Again look at what you are saying and your dreams and ambitions to to become what you aspire to be.
How many of us as black men can say, "I'll be your friend until you think its time for a relationship."
This is where a lot of people make their mistakes....... By trying to disguise themselve off as being someome that they are not then there go's frienship and all out of the window.
it is our past that make us infalliable and suseptable in doing the same things in that new relationship as well as the old one so the past has some relevance.
You are achieving your goals in as much as looking for financial freedom many of us as black men have been cheated out of and education through the prejudices that have taken place since gradeschool I have seen it I have faught against it and I have experienced it from my own stand point so when you obtaining your education reach back and try to get someon that has a mind to want to learn what you have learned and teach them.
I am always blessed and so are you so no need to say stay blessed........ Every breath we take is a blessing my sista.....
Reply Eric W.
03:38 PM on February 23, 2010 
Olola Pope says...
There is time for everything under the sun. A time to be plain, open and exposed; and a time to be disguised, opaque, concealed and ambiguous. Nothing could be farther from the truth to say women want the men in their lives to know everything about them. It is such an unnatural thing and a yet to be well reasoned through generalization. Yes, women may want men to know so much about some aspects of their lives, so as to keep the flow in the relationship and fellowship, yet they still retain that mystery of their nature as humans and oftentimes surprise their men with flashes on a hitherto unkown aspects of their lives. For men, not laying all on the table all of the time is not necessarily due to their fears of vulnerabilities. It is natural for them to have some aspects of their lives open to some and covered to others, it is all part of the strategic survival and emerging becomingness of man in nature. You cannot know all of a man, indeed a woman, until the person has signed off from planet earth. Insofar as the person enjoys the grace of a hope of tomorrow, he/she enjoys that essence of God to be mysterious and fascinating in certain aspects of his/her manifestations to some other persons, including their spouses. The serach to truly know all there is about the other person is a futile and unnatural search. It is not the way God has designed life to be lived, rather, it is an attempt to totally unravel the mystery of the absolute corpus of man, only the Designer has that key. He is yet to hand it over to anyone, though we strive for it in various ways in order to dominate and have better control or handle of our lives and relationships.. nothing wrong with these. Women, you may need to do more reasoning about your assertions and desires in your claims on the relationships with your partners. Stay bleesed.

You know this but how many other people know these things and can accept them for what they actually are I too concur.
Reply Olola Pope
08:51 AM on February 25, 2010 
Eric W. says...
You know this but how many other people know these things and can accept them for what they actually are I too concur.


Eric W,
Stay blessed. Read your two comments and noted the agreement of our minds. The first has however set me thinking and I suggest we recall our Relationship Advisor, Dr Pamela Thompson, to the issues she sparked on the topic. We need the benefit to enjoy a more robust understanding of the matter at stake, getting to know our spouses as Christians. I will take a quick shot at the debate.
First, Dr. Thompson said women giving the men in their lives the needed support are construed by the men to mean a lack of confidence in them or their abilities. My take is the exact opposite. When a woman gives her man serious support on the matters to which he is committed and on which he needs a helping hand, it really shows the woman believes in his endeavour or pursuit. It is a clear vote of confidence in the man and it is an action that will surely touch the man's heart.
Secondly, she said women want to be fully known by their men, because when the details of their lives are well known by their spouses, it shows they are really loved. A man's love for his spouse is never confirmed by his knowing her details, rather the love a man has for his wife can be authenticated when a man has in his hand, or stumble on some not so complimentary facts about his spouse, yet the soft and tender feelings he has for her and towards her are not changed or negatively affected in any way.
Now, we surely need Dr. Chris Bass, the sexologist, to step in for some clarifications. Dr Thompson said Dr Bass made her form the opinion that men's weaknesses or vulnerabilities being fully or well known by their spouses imply that men's hallowed chamber of authority, as the heads of their families is intruded upon, because the women could then give support to cover this weakness gap or strength in this weak area, as necessary. When this happens, it denotes the 'subordinate' person giving needful loving care to the 'superior' person in the relationship. If we take this point to its logical end, it implies an erosion of the superior person's authority, as this needful loving care ought not go to the superior from the subordinate because it is an undesirable role reversal. The take on this is simple and factual enough; every authority figure naturally needs support, particularly from their subordinates, this does not in any way show a weakness. Even God, the ultimate authority, demands human support in creation, if it must be a going concern. This is why He has given humans the responsibility to dominate and tend his creation, including ourselves. It is when we pursue this divine charge that we have breakthroughs in areas like human medicine. The wife supporting the husband in his area of weakness is a desirable thing recognized and arranged by God; after all, she is the 'help meet'.
Fourth and last point for now, Dr. Thompson says the loving and caring support of women to the men in the men's weak areas during crises are never well received by men, rather the lending of such shoulders of support gets the situations worse, as it elicits unfavourable resistance and or reaction form the men. Please let it be known that men, like women, are natural beings, every normal human being is appreciative and grateful for kind support from loved ones in emergencies. If there is any such man that will not well receive loving and caring support during crisis, then we need to debrief such a man for his reasons. If he does not have a reason other than he was supposed to be the head of his family and therefore beyond the help of his wife, such a man needs serious help and more support, particularly in counseling and prayers.
Eric W, thank you for giving us the needed justification to start the debate. I feel you.
Now, let Dr Thompson and Dr Bass make their cases or take their submissions further.